The difficulty with having a conversation with those of an emergent persuasion is that they very often sound so much like atheists.
Now, when I talk to atheists and agnostics, I know where I stand. They are unbelievers and therefore gentle entreaty and persuasion is employed. There sometimes comes a point when no further dialogue is possible or fruitful, but there's rarely rancour on part (unless I've behaved badly, which happens) because I genuinely pity them and what should I expect from unregenerate minds?
But the emerging church is different. The emergent church claims to have this regenerate mind of Christ.
So it's really disconcerting to have them rehearsing the same attacks against the faith that evangelicals have been rebutting for donkeys years. I think this is why some of my fellow believers get angry in their dealings with ec people - they are honestly shocked to hear brethren repeating arguments that have mostly been taken wholesale from those who hate God.
It's hard to know how to deal with that. I've seen instances of an astonishing lack of charity on both sides of the equation. A poor befuddled traditional believer sees post-modern believers taking pot-shots at the Word of God, and the traditional believer responds with rebuke, which in one sense, is appropriate. The 'pomo' responds harshly, saying the rebuke proves how un-christian traditional believer are, and so it escalates.
But the traditional believer can very often make similar unhelpful assumptions, coming at debate believing the emergent believer is deliberately being duplicitous, which is rarely the case.
It's all a very confused state of affairs. From what I have seen, both in real-life experience, and through online interaction, I think the problem is essentially monumental miscommunication. And no, I don't mean a lack of wanting to join the 'emergent conversation'. It goes back a little further than that.
I think the problem is the last generation of traditional evangelicals. I think we got lazy.
Just as the principle of holy living became distilled into a list of what was and wasn't acceptable, stifling discernment, once the first flush of textual criticism had been ably dealt with by commited bible-believers, these things just became a check-list that you just signed up to when you became a believer.
Discernment became something like a sixth sense to test whether there were any demons about. Christians forgot how to think.
And so a new generation, who don't know what consistent scriptural backing lies behind important doctrines - like the Trinity, inspiration of the scriptures and justification, are unhappy with a patronizing 'because I said so' approach, and rightly so.
But the vocabulary neccessary to answer the legitimate questions isn't readily available. Not because it isn't available at all, it is. William Wilberforce stood against slavery, and did so from the perspective of Christian belief. He didn't have to challenge the inerrancy of scripture to do it, either.
I'll freely admit that I cannot articulate his argument, because I've never been in a position to have to defend it, but I aim to change that. I've had to do the same with the position of women in scripture, and I'm a reasonable apologist for a complementarian worldview now, as well as being able to present the gospel whenever I get the opportunity. I didn't learn any of that when I became a believer.
This is precisely the problem - church has become a club or an aid agency, rather than a training ground for soldiers.
So what happens? Some wolf comes along with arguments about the trustworthiness of scripture that no-one at church can answer and the believer finds themselves adrift. They try to interact with the liberal arguments from a losing vantage point - they give away the premise because they can't defend the Word of God. That kind of interaction has a simple name - it's called capitulation. And once that is done, it's only a matter of time before the believer is swamped in humanism.
This isn't something to rebuke the baffled believer about - it's an understandable end-game.
The traditional church must bear responsibility for the emerging church. The emerging church makes many accusations about the narrowness of traditional viewpoints, but I think the baby flies out of the window with the bath-water in most of the emergent writings I've read. The problem is simply that the traditional church dropped the ball. In a world where everything is subject to change and whirling around, mired in subjectivity, the solution is not to start whirling around as well, the solution is to stand firm, hold fast and be ready to give an answer for the faith.
12/22/2005
Accident and Emergentcy
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I hope you can pardon my ignorance, but what, exactly, is this 'emerging church'? Sometimes, from what you say, I get the idea that it's kind of a hippie type thing, like Calvery Chapel was in the 70's. Where everyone wears whatever to church and does whatever and calls that spirituality. And others I think more in terms of the Toronto blessing type thing-very charismatic and ummm...goofy.
Or is it a meshing of the two?
Is 'emerging church' an English term, that we may have a different word for in the states?
Sorry to drop in, mid conversation like, but I was just wondering..
I think the emergent guys are pretty diverse.
Yes, there was that survey that showed many churchgoers complaining about the inability of ministers to give nay reasons to believe.
Gid Bless
Matthew
Norwester, where have you been? Emergent church is in America too! In fact it may have started here? Not sure on that one. Anyway, your assessment is pretty close even if you've never heard of it. There are several leaders: Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, and Dan Kimball being perhaps the top three.They have written books that are published by once solid Christian publishers and you can buy their books at bookstores :( They also speak at the National Pastors conventions (see
nationalpastorsconvention.com). Note also who else is at this convention; for example Tony Campolo. Emergent is a movement to watch out for. Be discerning and be in the word.
Good post.
I have to avoid confrontations with emergent types, because I cannot contain my aggrivation.
Merry Christmas!
Tony Campolo I know. He was quite popular when I was a baby Christian, but then I heard he turned liberal. But the rest of the guys you name, I've never heard of. Maybe because I avoid those 'mainstream' bookstores?
So, is the emerging church those who do away with any type of moral law, in favor (supposedly) of 'acts of charity'? (As if leaving someone enslaved to their flesh could be considered an act of charity)
I'm sorry. I probably am very dense. I'm working on that.
Hi Norwester -
I think the advice to be discerning is always excellent.
I woudl say emerging church is a name given to a very diverse group of folks across the world, who started thinkaing about theology, and moved on to looking at how that affected their practice. In the last few months it's become a hot potato on the internet/blogosphere, a lot of peopl have jumped on board with it, or come out stoungly against it, and you'll find the best and the worst of all camps feely available to find out about on the internet, and you'll doubt find you both agree and disagree with different ideas.
I would say that Jason Clark, who runs the UK Emergent group, a group that would describe itself as a part of the emergning chrch, is part of that best, and the post below is an interesting place to start reading him...
http://www.jasonclark.ws/jasonclark/2005/12/what_is_the_eme.html
LIbbie describes here many of the difficulties she has with the emergning church, and reflects on some of the less than best practice and theology, though I'm sure she would agree that this isn't wholly representative of the whole movement, such as it is. Hope I'm not misrepresenting you libbie.
Much like modern evengelicalism, we can find excellent examples and awful examples - I think that (and this isn't pointed, just a reflection) that discernment is often knowing which is look at for information.
Steve
Here is a good website to check out for a review of a well-known Emergent book by B. McLaren:
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue87.htm
This article articulates well the many troublesome aspects of emergent.
Interesting review.
I'm reading the book at the moment, and being quite a way in, either refute or don't recognise the descriptions he comes up with. Show how we read stuff very differently depending on where we ae coming from.
Always better to read the book itself, or read what people have to say rather than just reviews of them.
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